Wednesday, 4 December 2019

Some Anti-Theist Religious Bits & Pieces: Round Fourteen: Part Two

Of all of those Big Questions primary to philosophical standards that surround lifestyles, the universe and the whole thing, the realms of theology and religions and the nature of deities continue to fascinate. Opinions proliferate in books, articles, movies, conversations in bars and pubs, and in fact anywhere and everywhere  or greater human beings are in proximity. There's the seasoned aspect; there may be the anti-aspect. There are not too many fence-sitters. I'm nonetheless in the anti-camp as the subsequent bits and portions illustrate.

Regarding God

*All of these traits typically related to God - omniscient; omnipotent; omni-benevolent; omni-temporal; omnipresent - aren't surely indexed or given inside the Bible. It's all simply pure speculation.

*Now I don't in my view give a rat's behind approximately what True Believers believe and in particular the specific emblem of deity Christians subscribe to - what they name God and what I call the invisible magic man inside the sky - a magic guy who Christians definitely believes exists. What they believe is their business. But if they want to convince me about God's truth, then they need to provide actual evidence that I can verify all on my own. More to the point, they ought to give you something that constitutes evidence that their God, and only their God, and no longer a few other brand of god(s), could or did do. That I'd advocate is 'Mission: Impossible' since they have got but to supply and hardcore evidence for any deity, a ways much less their very own deity.

*God (or every other deity) needs to be demonstrated and no longer simply asserted.

*Even proving the actual existence of a supernatural Jesus would not in and of itself show the Christian God exists or existed. Finding the grave-sites and tombstones of Adam and Eve doesn't prove God either, and so forth Biblically speaking. The Bible isn't evidence for God. Your private religious revel in(s) -if any - are not of any value in proving to me that your God exists. Just imagining some thing is so - like God - does not make it so. Theological arguments (i.E. - angels and pinheads) are simply that - arguments. So I invite readers to get returned to me when they are able to certainly provide real proof for his or her 'True' Beliefs, the kind of proof that could be appropriate in a court trial or in a posted medical paper.

*No one has ever given me sufficient evidence to adopt the position that God or every other deity truely exists. If they need to trust that God exists - exceptional. They say that there are sufficient rational bits and portions that warrant that perception - exceptional. They say that offers them real understanding of God's existence - excellent. Now can they inform me what the evidence is that they have and which I can independently confirm that convinces any of them that God exists and therefore should persuade me that their 'True' Beliefs are genuinely genuine?

*I may draw the eye of True Believers to the TV display "MythBusters". There are literally loads and masses of ideals held with the aid of the amazing unwashed - present day day myths. You'll word however on this software how all of these ideals, all of those myths, are placed to real experimental tests with a purpose to offer real evidence with the intention to confirm those myths as real or plausible, or verify that those myths are not viable and no longer plausible. Experiment and evidence; something you can not truly offer in relation to the God myth. So God remains in experimental limbo-land. Of path if God definitely exists He should accurate that brief-smart through presenting His personal evidence and proving His very own lifestyles. The reality that He does not speaks volumes approximately the truth of His real lifestyles.

*If everybody ought to ever show that God (of the Bible) really exists, then He must be right now arrested, placed on trial, therefore duly convicted of getting devoted numerous crimes in opposition to humanity, and achieved.

*Now I recognize that the arena is a very terrifying vicinity, therefore you experience very insecure and by myself and small within this sea of humanity it is definitely cold and detached and uncaring approximately you. So, it's no marvel that you pick out to stay as a great deal as possible in a l.  A.-l.  A.-land wonderland inhabited through an invisible magic man in the sky, a Big Brother figure who will appearance after you.

*I suggest that God is honestly a magical flying crimson elephant how farted the Universe into life. Justification? We know that farting exists, even in the animal state (my cats skip wind for example); we recognize that flying exists, from bugs to pterosaurs to birds to bats to airplanes; we understand that crimson exists (pretty aside from the entertainer); we recognise that elephants exist too. So a flying crimson elephant that farted the Universe into life is way more rational that presupposing any invisible magic man in the sky did the deed given that we haven't any actual expertise that any such creator deity clearly even exists.

*Some Godly Oops:

- God is hidden from our sight. Why? God doesn't in reality exist, IMHO.

- God simplest seemed in a single tiny geographical location of the Earth. Why? The people who invented God in their personal photo weren't aware of every other geographies.

- God lets in evil to manifest. Why? This is not truly the hassle it's miles said to be considering God is Himself a completely evil being, with greater than good enough testimony given inside the Old Testament.

- God is not an all-loving, omni-benevolent, all-simply and all-merciful deity. Why? See the issue with evil without delay above.

- God is not all-knowing. Why? God asks questions in the Bible (i.E. - of Adam & Eve for starters). In any event, in case you're an all-knowing being then that on my own robs you of your unfastened will.

- God is not all effective because it took Him a whole six 'days' to create existence, the Universe and the entirety while He should have performed the equal in only six nanoseconds. Further, that poor tuckered out and worn-out vintage soul needed to rest on the seventh 'day'.

Regarding God's Creation & The First Cause Argument

*God's Alleged Creation of the World: There is not any medical mystery about how the Earth came to be fashioned into life, nor how the Sun and the rest of the sun device arose. Ditto for the formation and evolution of the Milky Way Galaxy and galaxies in trendy. The beginning of our Universe befell in the wider cosmic context, so in other words there has been a earlier than the Big Bang. What the precise situations had been we don't (yet) recognize, however the solution is "we don't know", not "God executed it". God isn't the default function every time you encounter a systematic unknown. The concept of the 'God of the gaps' has been so debunked that no person without a doubt takes that argument severely anymore.

And once more, and for the apparently millionth time I've stated this, from nothing, not anything comes; most effective from some thing does some thing come. You cannot create, now not even in theory, some thing from nothing. Therefore some thing has continually existed and consequently there's no want for a author. Even if there has been a writer there's no requirement that it has to be the Christian God. Perhaps it became a few other god(s) who's pinnacle canine in a few other religious theology. No one has ever defined why is needs to be the Christian version of a deity.

*I'm informed that "[S]howing the logical impossibility of an limitless beyond, does NOT require that I pinpoint the instant when it all commenced. As lengthy as I can display that it had to all start sooner or later, my argument for a First Cause stands." My response is, if you need to definitely show the First Cause argument then without a doubt create something from nothing. That's actual science. Theoretical philosophical arguments are not worth a bucket of spit as real evidence of something.

*But I'm informed that creation can be pinpointed in time. "In any case, every shred of evidence we have shows that the Universe began to exist 13.7 billion years in the past, and we have not a single speck of proof that some thing physical existed prior to that." My response is, if you have a stick of dynamite and you light the fuse and it goes increase, there absolutely became a earlier than-the-boom. If you have got a Big Bang that kick-began off our Universe, there simply had to have been a earlier than-the-bang. Something has to exist first which could cross bang before it honestly goes bang. This is what is understood inside the trade as good judgment.

*Regarding the alleged First Cause, this is the advent of some thing from not anything, you might, as others have, be tempted to quote physicist / cosmologist Lawrence Krauss's book "A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing". Firstly, it's genuinely the subtitle this is his major subject, and secondly, there are plenty of definitions of "not anything" and Krauss's definition doesn't in shape the First Cause premise. By the by means of, Krauss is a confirmed atheist and a instead vocal one at that. Anyway, Krauss's definition of not anything - and his ebook name changed into much more likely as now not selected by way of the publishers, no longer the author - would be alongside the subsequent lines.

Go out halfway into area between the Earth and the Moon. Select a few random cubic metre of that space. Now carry out the subsequent Thought Experiment" and put off all particles (i.E. - electrons, quarks, neutrinos, and so forth., including all darkish depend - whatever that absolutely is if it truely is and is some thing of substance with shape) from your preferred cubic metre. Then ditto that by way of getting rid of all associated radiation (i.E. - photons) and fields (like magnetic fields) or even the gravity contained therein (i.E. - gravitons). What's left is nothing, however no longer an absolute nothing, alternatively a systematic not anything. There remains a something left in the back of - the Cosmological Constant, Quintessence, Dark Energy, the Vacuum Energy, the Quantum Jitters, or Quantum Fluctuations - name it what you will, however the key word is "energy". Out of this energy, 'virtual' debris, a pair of remember - antimatter debris, can pop into and out of existence. So, some thing from nothing, yes? No. These 'digital' particles are only 'digital' because they exist so very in brief seeing that they at once annihilate returned into strength, again into the actual energy they arose from in the first area. This is simply an example of the strength that could produce remember consistent with Einstein's well-known equation bearing on mass and power. Energy, through whatever name you choose to name it, isn't always nothing inside the scientific experience. So that's Krauss's model of 'nothing'. However the 'nothingness' of the gap containing therein the Vacuum Energy or Quantum Fluctuations can spiral out of manipulate and create out of that electricity a Universe from apparently 'nothing'.

Not even Krauss explains in which the Vacuum Energy (or related synonyms) comes from aside from it would look like this strength were an intrinsic and not removable component or belongings of area itself. So to attain a state of absolute nothingness you'd need to remove the 'nothingness' of space itself from our cubic metre of nothingness area.

My use of the phrase "not anything" removes even this power from our cubic metre of area. Why there is no real manner of doing this, any extra than you can dispose of gravity or magnetism from within that cubic metre, if there was a First Cause then there couldn't have existed in any respect inside that cubic metre when you consider that there wasn't any cubic meter for anything to have resided in previous to a First Cause. So Krauss is of no help in supplying you with a First Cause situation.

The most effective problem with this scenario is that the measured fee of the Vacuum Energy (or related synonyms) is 120 orders of significance less than that that's calculated theoretically. That is the worst discrepancy between statement and principle ever recorded within the whole history of physics so something is screwy someplace! Until this discrepancy is resolved, I'll simply reserve judgement on Krauss's (and others) Universe from 'not anything' (which remains some thing).

Regarding God's Intelligent Design

*God's Alleged Intelligent Design and Fine-Tuning for Life: Firstly, ninety nine.99999% of the Universe is not designed or best-tuned for lifestyles (as we realize it). Random threat would possibly tell account for why just a tiny, tiny, tiny pocket of the Universe is bio-pleasant. Post abiogenesis, Darwinian / biological evolution, herbal choice and that vintage catchphrase 'survival of the fittest' extra than appropriately explains organic design. As for human physiology or anatomy, if God designed the human frame then He messed it up Big Time. God glaringly failed Bio-engineering one zero one.

In any occasion, since the wider cosmos has usually existed, therefore the laws, concepts and relationships element and parcel of the physical sciences and that cosmos has constantly existed and they just are what they're for the reason that after all they should have a few value or configuration. The hand you get dealt from a deck of well shuffled cards isn't always pleasant-tuned or designed. It just is what it's miles. Now whether or not or not the legal guidelines, standards and relationships component and parcel of the bodily sciences could have been apart from what they may be, we do not know. But the answer is, once more, "we don't know", not "God designed and excellent-tuned everything so that matters grew to become out the way they did".

Regarding Jesus

*According to a few "[T]here is robust proof for the existence of Jesus; NOT simply in the Bible, as you claimed. Many non-Biblical sources from very close to his time especially mention him and his followers." That's of course a pleasing standard sweeping statement without surely supplying any specifics that I ought to independently confirm. By the manner, "very near his time" isn't the same as 'his time' and mentioning his fans isn't always real proof of him any greater than mentioning Lois Lane is evidence for Superman.

*"But Jesus is nothing like Superman (for which there's, glaringly, zero proof)" is the obvious counter. But neither is there any evidence for a supernatural Jesus. The Bible is just a e book and everybody can write words in a e-book approximately some thing they like.

*Further, a few say that "[T]right here is evidence that the Gospel writers have been contemporaries both chronologically and geographically to the events they wrote approximately." Alas, maximum Biblical pupils might not accept as true with you at least about the timeframe. The gospels have been written many a long time after the fact. Just do a Google search. I've already showed this on Wikipedia and elsewhere. Further, nowhere inside the gospels will you discover any narrative that the authors of the gospels ever met or talked to Jesus.

*Can True Christian believers cite for me as a minimum one inscription or report - NOT the Bible - that has been dated and authenticated to the generation among 1 AD and say 50 AD, an inscription or record that mentions Jesus, especially a supernatural Jesus, one that executed miracles and who was resurrected from the lifeless? Can they do that? If now not then they have to simply hold quiet approximately the existence of modern-day evidence for the actual existence of Jesus.

Because right here's the factor. Did any of the alleged (500 or so) witnesses (1 Corinthians 15: 6) to the resurrected Jesus, or any of the girls or any of the disciples who saw an animated model of him publish-crucifixion ever pen their own first person account of this miracle? The answer is an absolute "no".

*What about Josephus? Josephus wasn't born till after-the-fact (37 AD - one hundred AD). He makes no point out of Jesus till round ninety three-ninety four AD in his "Antiquities of the Jews", failing to mention Jesus in earlier works, and then gives only  quick mentions that have merited tons scholarly debate (i.E. - not everyone is satisfied of the authenticity of what Josephus allegedly wrote. Further, there are no originals - of path. The earliest copies date to the eleventh Century, so we are handling copies of copies of copies; translations of translations of translations. Who can surely say what alterations were or could have been made with the aid of the ones Christian monks into whose care become placed the applicable Josephus manuscript?

Even if no matter all of the copies and all the translations and all of the possibilities for people with vested pastimes to add and/or subtract from what Josephus wrote, what Josephus wrote handiest offers historic credibility to Jesus the mortal person, no longer Jesus the supernatural being.

So Christians can rant and rave all they want but thus far nobody has ever verified that Jesus ever existed through a contemporary with - however no longer in - any real Biblical source.

*Despite the above, some claim that '[T]right here is strong ancient proof for Jesus' resurrection from the dead." Again we have a sweeping statement without specifics. Even if that is the case, I'd assume that the proof turned into within the form of technology fable or ancient fiction. You underestimate the electricity of the human imagination and of our want for storytelling. How you may distinguish reality from fiction in any written account from 2000 years in the past that relates supernatural events is beyond me. You can not go lower back and question the witnesses, and cameras and tape recorders and different clinical instrumentation didn't exist back then. It's all rather unreliable eyewitness testimony which now not may be placed on trial for cross-exam. And I duly note that Hercules became also resurrected, but I do not see you selling that resurrection. Picking and deciding on are we? Sorry, there may be the same lack of dependable proof for Jesus as there's for Hercules.

*More About the Alleged Resurrection of Jesus: I don't know how generally I must point this out however there is no different impartial source(s) of any type that dates back to whilst Jesus allegedly existed and changed into strutting his stuff that really mentions him. The Bible and only the Bible mentions him and offers him 'reality' and even Biblical texts weren't modern with the actual time of Jesus. And if Jesus existed simply due to the fact the Bible says so, then by means of analogy Big Brother have to exist (or have existed) simply because George Orwell's "1984" says he did. It is consequently affordable to be sceptical approximately the real life of Jesus. Further, all of these "Jesus said" quotes are bogus except Christians can call the scribes who wrote down his words, sermons and conversations.

*The alleged resurrection of Jesus is a scientific impossibility - once you're useless, you are dead - except you are a science fiction or delusion or horror writer / creator. Oh, with the aid of the manner, are all the ones zombies still on foot around Jerusalem as related within the New Testament? Of route we'd all recognize all about the reality of Jesus if simplest he'd go back - as promised - what Christians call the Second Coming. Alas, it seems he have to have forgotten to set his alarm clock for he is now many, many centuries overdue for his encore.
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*A real Jesus, even a real resurrected Jesus nevertheless says nothing about the truth of God's lifestyles. God's lifestyles and the existence of Jesus are  separate and apart subjects and the truth of 1 has no causal bearing on the reality of the alternative. In conclusion, Jesus is not a person who is independently verifiable and as a consequence Jesus is not proof for something.

*Christian theists do go on, and on, and on, and on, and on approximately all of this evidence for the existence of a supernatural Jesus and a resurrected Jesus. Yet two of the 3 predominant monotheistic religions deliver the idea of a supernatural / resurrected Jesus the absolute thumbs down. So why doesn't the Christian theist's alleged evidence for Jesus reduce any ice with the True Believers component and parcel of these  other major faiths? Methinks some thing is downright screwy with alleged evidence as given by using Christian theists - love it would not clearly even exist.

Science librarian; retired.

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